Saturday, February 21, 2015

Against Cityhood Blog



 Greenhaven, Land of OZ.  Fantasy or Reality? Believe in yourself, I don't want to be in the Emerald City-- No Place Like Home, No Place Like Home 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibUTM-tXjxQ

The Concerned Citizens in Opposition to Greenhaven will host a meeting, “A Conversation About HB644,” on Sept. 16, 10 a.m. to noon, on Saturday, Sept. 16, at the Sanford Realty Chapel Hall Shopping Center, 4183 Snapfinger Woods Drive, Decatur.


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Citizens Against Cityhood in DeKalb believe that residents deserve a more deliberate process; and that the state legislature needs to make changes to the cityhood and annexation process. We should have some say at the front end of the process as to whether communities are included in a new city boundary. The cityhood proponents want to deny citizens their most fundamental right to have a choice by forcing residents into the 2nd largest city in Georgia by the vote of the majority without equitable representation or local consent. The cityhood process is antithetical to the annexation process which requires 60% percent of property owners in a community to consent before it can be annexed. 


Alternatives have not been presented. For example, smaller cities, opting out of the city, annexation, or to remain unincorporated. You should not support being in a city until you gather the facts about the costs, services, and how you will be treated. Do not allow anyone to scare you into creating a city, especially the 2nd largest city in Georgia over night. It has never been done before. It took Atlanta 150 years to reach a population of 450,000 residents, and the Greenhaven proponents want to create the 2nd largest city of 300,000 residents in 2 years. It took Sandy Spring 30 years before it was allowed to become a city. 


The proposed Greenhaven city council districts' map.  The proposed city population would be about 300,000 residents.  Each of the 6 districts (50,000 residents) would be about the size of Dunwoody. The proponents claim that they are creating a city for self-determination, but in reality, they would be creating the 2nd largest city in the state.   The citizens would have 5 times less representation than Dunwoody or Stonecrest.
 

Proposed Greenhaven Districts' Map
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6rHTsNOsLE_bWMyMk5abklNNWs/view


Representative Billy Mitchell has submitted a bill to the House Governmental Affairs Committee for consideration  Assembly session January 2018.   A bill to turn South DeKalb into the 2nd largest city in Georgia.

A BILL HB 644 to be entitled an Act to provide for the incorporation of the City of Greenhaven in DeKalb County, Georgia; to provide for related matters; to provide an effective date; to repeal conflicting laws; and for other purposes.

Greenhaven Charter bill
http://www.legis.ga.gov/Legislation/en-US/display/20172018/HB/644

Representative Billy Mitchell Email Address
District 88, D - Stone Mountain
billy.mitchell@house.ga.gov

House Governmental Affairs Committee


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Use the map to find out which city you could be in.

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Citizens Against Cityhood was formed in 2014 to oppose the creation of new cities in DeKalb County. It first began as a local opposition group against the creation of the City of South DeKalb.   It was one of the first cityhood opposition organizations created in DeKalb.  CACD was the primary and first to oppose the largest of the purposed new cities with a population of 300,000 residents called the City of South DeKalb and now referred to Greenhaven from becoming a referendum in 2016. The work goes on with the coalition of many other groups to stop the creation of any other new cities in DeKalb County.

Say No to Shot Gun Cities in DeKalb.  We are being held with a gun barrel pointed at our heads. We are being told that we will pay more taxes than the others in the county if we do not form a city. We are being lead to believe that more government is better.

Self-determination is the right of all mankind and so is the right to vote. Who will pay for all these governments? We currently have a federal government, a state government, a county government and most have a homeowners association.  Now we are told we need a city? Why?  What happened to freedom?  Residents should know all the facts and the truth before a referendum is placed on the ballot. The residents should know who the real winners and losers will be if DeKalb is allowed to fracture into separate parts. Who will really benefit?


What cityhood will likely bring is more government with rules and regulations, more jails and courts, more crime, more corruption, more traffic tickets, more code enforcement, less businesses, and bad customer service. The proponents of cityhood want to use our tax money and bond funding to create projects and jobs. They will do this with 30 year bonds which will be tied to property taxes for years to come. All while a few people will become rich and the majority of us will be stuck with the bills. The question we are facing is should the government allocate private funds (property taxes) or should private entities allocate capital for public or private investment? What services should government provide or privatize? Will the cost and efficiency be better as a city or county if we look at economy to size factors?


The HOST property tax exemption, which rides on top of your Homestead, vanishes in a new city, as the HOST is covered by a penny of sales tax collected by DeKalb. This will result in an automatic property tax increase, averaging 15-30 percent when you leave unincorporated DeKalb. Ask homeowners in Brookhaven and Dunwoody...

The combined revenue hits of Brookhaven, Dunwoody, Tucker and Stonecrest have had a impact on DeKalb overall budget.  If LaVista Hills  followed by South DeKalb become cities it will begin to make it financially unfeasible to support/fund countywide police and fire. Granted there are now service gaps and domestic dispute calls flood and back up 911 response times, but imagine us getting back to a patch work of 11-14 P.D.s, and only the Sheriff's office having county-wide jurisdiction. We are heading that way.

New York State has more than 4,000 local governments, cities, townships, villages, local boards of education, counties, etc... New Jersey is similar. Those are two of the highest taxing states in country. Only California and Taxachusetts come close.

We have to focus on demanding what we are already paying for and quit viewing local government as a patronage and jobs program, local government should be about services for the taxpayers and citizens of that community...not employing everyone's niece, nephew, uncle or cousin...

 

"We must all learn to live together as brothers or we will all perish together as fools. -- ML King  

"Whatever affect one directly, affects all indirectly'" -- ML King 

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The mission of the organization is to advocate for effective government and to provide information about cityhood and annexation to DeKalb County residents.  Citizens Against Cityhood supports a moratorium on any new city formations.  We believe that the residents of DeKalb deserve a more deliberate process; and that the state legislature needs to make changes to the cityhood and annexation process. 

1.            We should have some say so at the front end of the process as to whether communities are included in the new city boundaries.
2.            It would be equally appropriate for our state legislators to amend the annexations and consolidation laws to prohibit hostile takeovers without the consent of the governed.
3.            Some states have laws that require the cities to make up for the lost revenues of the county
4.            Alternatives have not been presented to residents in the affected area. For example, smaller cities, opting out of the city, change the annexation laws, court action.  Alternative forms of quasi-cities should be considered, private residential associations or communities and special districts could also be alternatives to cityhood.

More time should be given to residents to become informed in terms of the impact cityhood would have on their communities and DeKalb County.  We do not believe that new cities should be created for the purpose of avoiding prior pension and bond obligations.  We strongly believe that taxes should be equitably applied to all residents in both incorporated and unincorporated DeKalb.  We do not believe that a city will create jobs,  that is the mission of the chamber of commerce, and private citizens. We do not want to trade our suburban communities for an urban jungle; We do not want more crime, corruption, and government.  We want better leadership and collaboration all over North, Central and South DeKalb.

Imagine if we added more States because we wanted more local control from the federal government. There are over 20,000 cities in U.S. Do we need more?   Should we create 500,000 homeowner associations (HOA) with different rules and ordinances? The Internet is a revolutionary concept that crosses all governments' boundaries, languages, and borders. How can trade and commerce flourish when we seem to be doing the opposite by creating boundaries in DeKalb and Fulton? So much for Google fiber.

Article I, Section 2 of the U.S. Constitution says, "The Number of Representatives shall not exceed one for every thirty Thousand". This would mean that we would need 10,000 US representatives. So what do we do? 

DeKalb county has a population of 730,000 residents. As an alternative, DeKalb could consider adding more commissioners to represent the growth in DeKalb population and to provide more representation and local attention. Currently there are 5 commissioner districts and two at large commissioners. The growth and diversity of the population is one reason that more commissioners are needed to provide greater representation. The city of Atlanta which has a population 450,000, and it has 12 council districts, council president and 3 at large council seats.

It is a shame that when there is a problem with local government we look to change the form of government instead of replacing the person(s) in the position. This is usually an indication that the electorate is very unhappy when they want to abolish the form of government instead of getting rid of the Bum. It is easier to create a city than to remove a corrupt elected official from office.  There should be a provision in the county/city charter that allows the electorate to recall political office holders by the voters when they are not doing their jobs effectively or violating their oaths of office. This should apply to part-time and full-time political office holders. The electorate must make sure there are procedures in place to remove corrupt leaders and to address issues related to vacancies.


South DeKalb could look like Clayton County, Miami Gardens, Tuskegee, Alabama, East Saint Louis, Liberty City, Gary Indiana, Detroit, Washington, DC, or Ferguson, Missouri if the cityhood bill is passed by the state assembly and the referendum is passed by the voters. Ask the proponents of cityhood which city they plan to use as a model for South DeKalb.  I do not mean what the feasibility study used. I mean which city do proponents believe South DeKalb will look like with similar demographics and population. South DeKalb (Greenhaven) uses the New York City skyline in their logo. Would you put your trust in someone that does not have a plan and a model of what they are proposing?

Ask the proponents of cityhood to try their economic development experiment somewhere else like South DeKalb Mall or West End. Macon, or Tuskegee, Alabama before trying it on us. We want to see the evidence.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeKalb-Economic-Development-Industries/462241587259268?ref=hl


Do Not Believe the Hype!!! Unincorporated DeKalb is not paying more for Bonds and Pensions than others in DeKalb County.  It is not true and the facts are being stretched to create fear.  The proponents of cityhood are simply not explaining the differences in the services and how the pension is funded.   


According to the county budget department, the new cities are contributing to the county pension plan, though not to the same extent as if they had not become a city.   The typical portion that new cities may not be equally contributing to are police and designated services if new cities are providing their own services in those areas.  All the other county funds contribute to the pension.

Ask for specifics so that you can make an informed decision. Do the proponents have any evidence or record to show what they can do?
The proponents for cityhood have not described what assets they are wanting to protect.   Are these the assets? Is this what economic development looks like? More of the same.  Are there real commitments from major companies to create jobs and plants in our community?

Burger King
McDonalds
Chick Fil-A
Churchs Chicken
KFC
Popeyes
Dollar General
Quick Trip (QT)
Dunkin Donuts
Walmart
Family Dollar
Chinese Restaurants
BP
Chevron
Shell
Texaco
Pizza Hut
Dominos Pizza
Motel/Hotel 2
Krispy Creme
Waffle House
Autozone
O Reilly Auto
Liquor R Us Ken and Chris
Nails R Us
Beauty Products and Weaves R Us




There are no major companies plants or offices located in South DeKalb, such as:
  

Delta Air Lines*
27,344
Emory University **
22,242
Wal-Mart
17,689
BellSouth Corp.
15,800
DeKalb County Schools*
12,968
Publix Super Markets
10,650
Wellstar Health System
10,112
City Of Atlanta
8,657
United States Postal Service
8,520
IBM
7,500
DeKalb County Government*
7,498

Georgia Dapartment of Human Resources
7,425

United Parcel Service
7,351

Suntrust Banks
7,287

Emory Healthcare*
6,690

Cox Enterprises
6,177

Waffle House
6,093

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention*
6,002




https://www.dekalbcountyga.gov/budget-office/about-us



DeKalb County Tax Millage Rates for 2010 to 2015 (Current)


The total millage rate of the cities in DeKalb are linked to the population size and services. The smaller cities have a higher city millage rate in general. Stone Mountain, Clarkston, and Lithonia are paying higher millage rates than unincorporated DeKalb. City of Decatur millage fluctuates but is similar to unincorporated, and the same with Dunwoody and Brookhaven fluctuating between 2 to 5 millage rate difference. Since 2010 to 2015 Unincorporated DeKalb millage rate changed from 40.09 to 45.29; Dunwoody went from 39.33 to 45.00; Decatur 43.84 to 43.18; Stone Mountain from 46.81 to 59.69; and Clarkston from 48.32 to 59.82 The differences in the unincorporated millage rate and the cities' millage rates are with special services and police.


DeKalb County  Current Tax Millage Rate 
https://www.dekalbcountyga.gov/sites/default/files/Millage2016%20TC.pdf

DeKalb County Tax Millage Rate 2016
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6rHTsNOsLE_aUFtbk9HRG1oekU/view?usp=sharing
DeKalb County Tax Millage Rate 2015
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6rHTsNOsLE_Z1hfQ2IzNXFRWWM/view?usp=sharing
DeKalb County Tax Millage Rate 2014
https://drive.google.com/…/0B6rHTsNOsLE_VDdsT3hwekdob…/view…
DeKalb County Tax Millage Rate 2013
https://drive.google.com/…/0B6rHTsNOsLE_enNOYk1NTTd1S…/view…
DeKalb County Tax Millage Rate 2012
https://drive.google.com/…/0B6rHTsNOsLE_c3RVcXV3dmZOM…/view…
DeKalb County Tax Millage Rate 2011
https://drive.google.com/…/0B6rHTsNOsLE_QzlQT1g4ZnFWT…/view…
DeKalb County Tax Millage Rate 2010
https://drive.google.com/…/0B6rHTsNOsLE_c0k1VG5HdHctY…/view…






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View House and Senate Bills for city charter


Stonecrest
Status
SB208 http://www.legis.ga.gov/Legislation/en-US/display/20152016/SB/208

Greenhaven
Passed

HB644
 (Pending 2017)
HB613
Failed
SB221
Failed

Tucker

HB515
Passed House

City of Tucker is not a done deal.  It has to go before the residents for a vote on Nov 3, 2015.  Do not believe the Hype.
Passed Senate

LaVista Hills (Referendum Failed) Nov 3, 2015

HB520
Passed House

City of LaVista Hills is not a done deal.  It has to go before the residents for a vote on Nov 3, 2015.  .
Passed
Senate

South Fulton

HB165
Passed House




Atlanta City Limits Annexation

HB586
HB587
Failed
HB661
Clarkston City Limits Annexation


http://www.legis.ga.gov/legislation/en-US/Display/20152016/HB/661
Passed

City of Clarkston annexation is not a done deal.  It has to go before the residents for a vote on Nov 3, 2015.  Do not believe the Hype.


Decatur City Limits Annexation

HB663
Failed


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The new South DeKalb city as proposed by the Concerned Citizens for Cityhood in South DeKalb would be smaller in ...


Don’t Believe the Hype. The city of East Saint Louis is what South DeKalb “Greenhaven” could look like if the cityhood bill is passed for South DeKalb.  Crime and corruption on steroids.  Quality of Life and small town values will be lost if the cityhood is promoted in DeKalb.  We are a suburb of Atlanta.  We live here in unincorporated DeKalb because we do not want to be in an urban center.

There are border issues with the proposed city of Greenhaven and the City of Lithonia, Stone Mountain, and Decatur.   In addition, there are several serious tax issues that should be resolved with DeKalb County as it relates to all these new cities attempting to avoid their tax obligations.  Passing these cityhood bills will create greater issues with DeKalb County pensions and bonds accounts. The tax and funding inequity will ultimately in up in court, Particularly since many lawmakers appear to be ignoring their fiduciary responsibility with allowing the new cities to avoid the pension and bond payments to the county.

The Carl Vinson Institute report was a feasibility study and it only evaluated the financial viability of the proposed new city.  The report was based on minimum city services: Parks and recreation, zoning, and code enforcement.  The report did not include and qualitative data or resident interviews.  The study did not use similar city demographics to compare costs, and the report did not consider the impact of the new city impact on the DeKalb County as a government.  The report does not validate the necessity or efficacy of forming a new city.  The report did not consider the views of the residents of the affected area.

The Communities and Neighborhoods did not have the opportunity to opt in or out of any of the boundaries of the proposed cities. We are being told that we only have the ability to say Yes or No at the end of process during the referendum. This does not make any sense. We should have some say so at the front end of the process as to whether communities are included in the new city boundaries. What if, where you lived, this was done to you?   A group of people, that have not been elected by anyone, drafts up a city proposal, creates a boundary map, and creates a charter and then ask the state to sanction it.  You would be outraged, like I am.

There are disputes over which neighborhoods should be included in the boundaries with LaVista Hills, Decatur, Lithonia, Clarkston and Greenhaven and other communities. There should be a timeout in order to keep this frenzy from becoming a nightmare for everyone.

Hwang and Sampson, two researchers found that by the late 2000s, racial composition did in fact have a significant effect on a neighborhood's chance of improvement and ultimate gentrification. The neighborhoods that saw the most improvement met a minimum threshold proportion of white residents—about 35 percent—and a maximum threshold of black residents—about 40 percent.

These researchers found that the difference in reinvestment levels between neighborhoods of 35 and 45 percent black residents was more than twice the gap in extent of gentrification between neighborhoods of 5 and 15 percent black residents.




City of East Saint Louis Ranked the country’s 100 most dangerous cities




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The position of Concerned Citizens Against Cityhood in DeKalb (CCACD) - Ed Williams, Chair

Website: ccegdekalb.blogspot.com




Concerned Citizens for Cityhood in South DeKalb (CCCSD) thinks that it is making gumbo soup. It is proposing to just take a lot of neighborhoods and lump them together and call it a city.  The group chose "Greenhaven" a country name for the proposed city.  The name selection process was not democratic or inclusive.  

Residents are being told that we will have to pay more taxes if we do not form a city. I think citizens would be better served if the CCCSD would file a court case against the county and the other cities about the tax liabilities and pension obligations that are not being shared by all the property owners of the county.  The CCCSD wants the citizens in South DeKalb to believe that creating the city will create economic development.

Well the Concerned Citizens Against Cityhood in DeKalb (CCACD) do not believe this will happen in fact, we believe this city will become a haven for drugs, crime and bad schools. There should be a way for South DeKalb citizens to opt out of the new city if they do not want to be a part of it.

We do not know if the neighborhood units or community leaders are in support of the cityhood concept. Do they want to be in a smaller city or to remain a part of the county? We have yet to see one elected leader or prominent business leader or any economic expert support the effort beyond members of the CCCSD.

How can a new city such as the city of Dunwoody or Brookhaven not be equally responsible for pension and bonds that were already obligated prior to their cityhood makes no sense.

It would be equally appropriate if our political leaders ask state legislators to amend the annexations and consolidation laws to prohibit hostile takeovers without the consent of the governed. Some states have laws that require the cities to make up for the lost revenues of the county. This is what the CCCSD is alarmed about, and rightly so.

It seems that shotgun cities are appearing all over DeKalb County. Who will pay the county bills once all the local communities become cities? Will the county file bankruptcy and then North DeKalb merge with Milton?

Concerned Citizens Against Cityhood in DeKalb (CCACD would suggest that the state legislature stop this cityhood movement in the county. The county needs leadership on this issue. Citizens should not remain silent on this issue. We need leadership from the state Legislature.



Reasons why the new city of Greenhaven (South DeKalb) should not be created.  Need more Details. Alternatives Missing from Discussion. 

website: ccegdekalb.blogspot.com

1. The roof on fire fear tactic approach is not a good way to make public policy. At the very least, citizens should be given time to consider the options and evaluate what another layer government would mean for the region. The rationale that proponents use for the justification for a new city in south DeKalb to leverage resources, avoid pension and bond costs, avoid annexation and focus efforts on economic development are not the only factors to be considered when creating a new city. There are many other factors that residents should consider in order to evaluate whether forming a city would be a good idea. The truth is that many of the business in our community we do not own; and the business community does not support cityhood; there are no business commitments; no evidence of economic development and no track record.

2.  Alternatives have not been presented to residents in the affected area. For example, smaller cities, opting out of the city, change the annexation laws, court action.  Alternative forms of quasi-governmental communities should be considered, private residential associations or communities and special districts could also be alternatives to cityhood. In addition, the impact on the County has not been evaluated and presented as to what would likely happen if all the unincorporated areas became cities.  The objectives, goals, and benefits have not been explained in any detail that could be evaluated.  The Citizens Against Cityhood in south DeKalb believe that we can leverage resources and assets at the County level, particularly since the majority of the County commissioners and interim CEO are from south DeKalb.

3.  Annexation is being used as a scare tactic.  Annexation is not a simple process.  The community or property owner has to agree to be annexed.  Property cannot just  be taken or seized.

4.  There is no historical evidence that forming a city will provide or attract significant private investment in a community that lacks demographics diversity; South DeKalb has an African American population of over 90%. . During the last 40 years, the City of Atlanta population was never more than 70% and  there was no significant economic development in the African American neighborhoods. Most of the economic development occurred outside of the African American neighborhoods.

5.  The latest two cities Dunwoody and Brookhaven taxes are expected to increase.  

6.  The proposed new city of Greenhaven (south DeKalb) will only provide the following services initially parks and recreation, zoning, and code enforcement.  The County will continue to provide Water, Sanitation, Police and Fire, Library, 911, Ambulance, Marta, Hospital, Court services, Road, and many others.The new cities will not have any impact on public safety or crime.  The police service will continue to be provided by DeKalb county.

7.  The name of the new city Greenhaven should be changed.  The reason given for the name is suspect.  The name will not change the region's image, and the name has no relevance to the historical legacy or the future of the region. The name lacks appeal, it sounds like a funeral home or cemetery name.  Need information on how to change the name from Greenhaven.

8.  The creation of a new city will likely create the condition for the formation of a new school district.  This would likely split the DeKalb school district along North and South boundaries.  This will impact property taxes, and will likely cause property taxes to dramatically increase.  Ninety percent of the students in the DeKalb School System are African American and less than 10% are White.

9.  The proposed new city of Greenhaven (south DeKalb) will likely create the need to generate more revenue through code enforcement and ordinance.  This would likely result in increase citations from the county and the new city.

10.  The proposed new city of Greenhaven (south DeKalb) should probably be smaller and residents should consider the formation of more than one city if there is a real need.  Instead of a mega city.

11.  The residents in the affected areas have not been made aware of the issues of cityhood and its impact on their community and the county. Many residents would likely want to remain living in unincorporated DeKalb.

12.  The rationale for the new city is not valid. A new city being created in another part of DeKalb County is not a valid reason for south DeKalb citizens to do the same.  The demographics are different.  The majority of the DeKalb commissioners are citizens from south DeKalb, including the interim CEO.   Central and south DeKalb already control the county legislative and executive body of DeKalb government.  South DeKalb already is in the position to set the agenda.  South DeKalb has to elect the right leaders.

13.  Cities cannot create private jobs.  A city can create a friendly business climate, if the right people are elected.  The new jobs that the new proposed city would create will likely come at the expense of lost revenue from  DeKalb County.  The County would likely experience a work force reduction, as a consequence of the formation of new cities.

14.  The Carl Vinson Institute report was a feasibility study and it only evaluated the financial viability of the proposed new city.  The report was based on minimum city services: Parks and recreation, zoning, and code enforcement.  The study did not use cities with similar demographics to compare costs, and the report did not consider the impact of the new city impact on the DeKalb County as a government.  The report does not validate the necessity or efficacy of forming a new city.  The report did not consider the views of the businesses or residents of the affected area.

15.  There is no information on time table for adding other services like police to the proposed new city services.  Need more information on the process to amend the charter to add other services, and how long will it take to amend the charter.  .

16.  There is no information on how each of the communities within the boundary of the new proposed city will have to choose either to become part of the new city or opt out and remain unincorporated.  It appears that the CCCSD has already included all the unincorporated communities in south DeKalb in its new city.  Information is needed in regards to the referendum process, as to how and when each community will have the opportunity to vote rather to be part of the new city or opt out. The way the CCCSD has conducted the cityhood process and drawn up the map it assumes that all the communities and neighborhoods within the borders want to be in the new city.

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News Articles Related to the Topic of Cityhood.


Create a city for the right reasons, not because someone else is doing it. Nov, 4, 2016 pg. 4
https://issuu.com/crossroadsnews/docs/nov0516/

Why I Oppose the City of Stonecrest Oct 28, 2016
https://issuu.com/ocgnews/docs/ocgn_10-29-16

http://ocgnews.com/why-i-oppose-the-city-of-stonecrest/

Why you should vote "No" on the City of Stonecrest Referendum Oct 14, 2016

https://issuu.com/ocgnews/docs/ocgn_10-15-16-
http://ocgnews.com/why-you-should-vote-no-on-the-city-of-stonecrest-referendum/

Stonecrest cityhood legislation headed to governor’s desk March 25, 2016
http://www.myajc.com/news/news/local-govt-politics/south-fulton-gets-vote-on-cityhood/nqr32/

Greenhaven cityhood proposal dies in committee March 16, 2016
http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local-govt-politics/greenhaven-cityhood-proposal-dies-in-committee/nqmq3/

East Atlanta and Gresham Community residents oppose to Greenhaven development Dec 2, 2015
http://atlantadailyworld.com/2015/12/22/east-atlanta-and-gresham-community-residents-oppose-to-greenhaven-development/

Residents weight in on cityhood, corruption, Marta plans Dec. 26, 2015
https://issuu.com/crossroadsnews/docs/dec2615

Stonecrest cityhood legislation headed to governor’s desk March 25, 2016
http://www.myajc.com/news/news/local-govt-politics/south-fulton-gets-vote-on-cityhood/nqr32/

Greenhaven cityhood proposal dies in committee March 16, 2016
http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local-govt-politics/greenhaven-cityhood-proposal-dies-in-committee/nqmq3/

East Atlanta and Gresham Community residents oppose to Greenhaven development Dec 2, 2015
http://atlantadailyworld.com/2015/12/22/east-atlanta-and-gresham-community-residents-oppose-to-greenhaven-development/

Residents weight in on cityhood, corruption, Marta plans Dec. 26, 2015 pg. 1
https://issuu.com/crossroadsnews/docs/dec2615

Residents speak out about proposed south DeKalb cities (Dec 18, 2015)
http://thechampionnewspaper.com/news/local/residents-speak-out-about-proposed-south-dekalb-cities/

http://www.scribd.com/doc/293529852/Champion-FreePress-12-18-15

Senate, House committee reports raise many issues about cityhood efforts 12-19-2015
https://issuu.com/ocgnews/docs/ocg_12-19-15
http://oncommongroundnews.com/local-news/item/1278-senate-house-committee-reports-raise-many-issues-about-cityhood-efforts.html

Slow down proposed Greenhaven reform the process for cityhood Dec 11, 2015

https://issuu.com/ocgnews/docs/ocg_12-12-15
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6rHTsNOsLE_TWFlT2xQd2p5dDA/view?usp=sharing

I Like My County and I want to Make It Better pg 4A
http://www.scribd.com/doc/283948366/FREEPRESS-100915

Forum North DeKalb Residents Debate the Cityhood pg 10A
http://www.scribd.com/doc/283948366/FREEPRESS-100915

Forum Residents Debate the Cityhood pg 10A
http://www.scribd.com/doc/283948407/FREEPRESS-100215

Crowd flocks to learn more about Greenhaven cityhood proposal

https://issuu.com/ocgnews
http://oncommongroundnews.com/local-news/itemlist/date/2015/9/28.html

I Like My County and I want to Make It Better pg 4A
http://www.scribd.com/doc/283948366/FREEPRESS-100915

Forum North DeKalb Residents Debate the Cityhood pg 10A
http://www.scribd.com/doc/283948366/FREEPRESS-100915

Forum Residents Debate the Cityhood pg 10A
http://www.scribd.com/doc/283948407/FREEPRESS-100215

Forum Rignites Debate on Cityhood in south DeKalb
http://issuu.com/crossroadsnews/docs/oct0315

Residents Share concerns for Cityhood pg 12A Sept 11, 2015
http://www.scribd.com/doc/281110730/FreePress-9-11-15

Letter to ICEO Lee May and BOC pg 4A (August 27, 2015)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/276684078/FreePress-8-27-15

Cityhood does not equal prosperity (June 2015)
http://www.decaturish.com/2015/06/dear-decaturish-cityhood-does-not-equal-prosperity/

Facts About the Pension Plan Costs and New Cities (page 4A)
 

Facts About Pension Plan (June 19, 2017)
https://www.scribd.com/doc/269371011/FREE-PRESS-6-19-15

New DeKalb County Cities Could Create Battle For Resources (WABE 90.1 Radio May 28, 2015 )
http://wabe.org/post/new-dekalb-county-cities-could-create-battle-resources

What have you done for me lately? April 17, 2015 p5A
http://www.scribd.com/doc/262161269/FreePress-4-17-15

No referendum this year for new cities in South DeKalb April 10, 2015
https://issuu.com/crossroadsnews/docs/apr1115

Cityhood: There's got to be a better way Mar 11 2015
http://atlantaforward.blog.ajc.com/2015/03/12/cityhood-theres-got-to-be-a-better-way/
 

Opinion: Stop the DeKalb cityhood movement Mar 12 2015 p18A
http://www.ajc.com/news/news/opinion/opinion-stop-the-dekalb-cityhood-movement/nkS4F/

Reasons why the city of Greenhaven should not be created. pg 5A (March 12, 2015)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/258643794/Champion-FreePress-3-12-15

DeKalb Needs Leadership Formation New Cities pg .4 (Feb 28, 2015)
https://issuu.com/crossroadsnews/docs/feb2815

Issue of cityhood rooted in fear, mismanagement pg.4 (Feb 28, 2015)
https://issuu.com/crossroadsnews/docs/feb2815

Cityhood would not benefit residents South-DeKalb pg. 4 (Aug 2, 2014)
https://issuu.com/crossroadsnews/docs/aug0214

Citizens should say no thanks Greenhaven name (Feb 7, 2015)
https://issuu.com/crossroadsnews/docs/feb0715

Open Letter to Citizens of DeKalb County (Feb 19, 2015)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/256376365/Champion-FreePress-2-19-15
 

A better name than ‘Greenhaven’ needed (pg 4) (Feb 13, 2015)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/255659905/FreePress-2-13-15#scribd



Other Resources

DeKalb County District Maps

FAQ Cityhood and Annexation (DeKalb Strong)

Proponents of Cityhood in South DeKalb

Proponents of Cityhood in Stonecrest 

Proponents of Cityhood in South Fulton

Proponents of Cityhood in Tucker

Opponents of Cityhood in Tucker

Proponents of Cityhood in LaVista Hills

Opponents of Cityhood in LaVista Hills

Proposed New City of Greenhaven Feasibility 2015 Report 

City of Stonecrest Feasibility 2015 Report 

City of Stonecrest Feasibility 2013 Report

Proposed New City of Failed Stonecrest Feasibility 2013 Report

Proposed New City of South Fulton Feasibility 2014 Report

Proposed New City of LaVista Hills Feasibility 2015 Report

Proposed New City of Lakeside Feasibility Study
https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/lakesideyes/pages/28/attachments/original/1402579997/lakeside-final_112013.pdf?1402579997


Proposed New City of Briarcliff Feasibility Study 
https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/lakesideyes/pages/75/attachments/original/1421097270/Briarcliff_Report_-_Final_12_17_13.pdf?1421097270

Proposed New City of Tucker 2015 Feasibility Study

Proposed New City of Tucker 2013 Feasibility Study

Dunwoody Feasibility Study
http://www.scribd.com/.../CVI-Dunwoody-Feasibility-Study


Dunwoody Feasibility Study
 
Brookhaven Feasibility Study
http://www.scribd.com/.../CVI-Brookhaven-Feasibility-Study

Peachtree Corners Feasibility Study
http://www.scribd.com/.../CVI-Peachtree-Corners-Fiscal...


Greenhaven Proposed City Charter

Stonecrest Proposed City Charter
 
South Fulton Proposed City Charter

Tucker Proposed City Charter

LaVista Hills Proposed City Charter

Avondale Estates City Charter

Brookhaven City Charter

Chamblee City Charter

Clarkston City Charter

Decatur City Charter

Doraville City Charter

Dunwoody City Charter

DeKalb County Georgia Organization Act (Charter)

Lithonia City Charter

Pine Lake City Charter

Stone Mountain City Charter

City of Atlanta Charter

Other City Charters and Ordinances 

Winship (Fake City Charter)

Clarkston Annexation Bill Passed (HB661)


Proposed Annexation HB586 of Druid Hills into City of Atlanta Annexation Bill

Proposed Annexation HB587 of Druid Hills into City of Atlanta Annexation Bill

Proposed Annexation HB663 into City of Decatur Annexation Bill







City
Incorporation Date
Area
Population
Current Rate
Maximum Rate
South Fulton (proposed city)
April 2017
105 sq mi
90,000

13.469 millage
Greenhaven (proposed city)
XXX
126.2 sq mi
294,000

1.5 millage
Stonecrest
(proposed city)
April 2017
29.6 sq mi
50,000

3.35 millage
LaVista Hills (referendum)
XXX


5.00 millage
Tucker (referendum)
Mar 2016


1 millage
Dunwoody
Dec 1, 2008
13.7 sq mi
46,267
2.74
3.04 millage
Brookhaven
Dec 17, 2012
12 sq mi
49,173
2.795
3.35 millage
Clarkston
Dec 12, 1882
1.1 sq mi
7,554

21.110

Decatur
Dec 10, 1823
4.2 sq mi
19,335
33.50

Stone Mountain
Jan 1, 1839
1.6 sq mi
5,802
22.00

Lithonia
Jan 1, 1970
0.8 sq mi
1,924
17.869

Pine Lake
Dec, 1937
0.2 sq mi

730
28.10

Doraville
Dec 15, 1871
3.6 sq mi
8,330
8.75

Chamblee
Aug 17, 1908
3.5 sq mi
9,892
6.40

Avondale Estate
Jan 1, 1927
1.1 sq mi

2,960

10.957

Atlanta
Dec 29, 1845

132.4 sq mi
420,003
34.245

DeKalb County
Dec 9, 1822
268.3 sq mi

739,956

21.21
unincorp




40 comments:

  1. http://crossroadsnews.com/news/2015/feb/06/citizens-should-say-no-thanks-greenhaven-name/

    Citizens should say no thanks to ‘Greenhaven’ name
    2/6/2015, 6 a.m.
    By Ed Williams

    I write in response to the Jan. 31 front-page article about the Concerned Citizens for Cityhood for South DeKalb Inc.’s name selection.

    It made me think of the quote “A rose by any other name would smell as sweet” from William Shakespeare’s play “Romeo and Juliet.”
    The reference is often used to imply that the names of things do not affect what they really are. I do not like the name “Greenhaven.”

    Please select another name for the city of South DeKalb.
    The proposed new city would have more churches than businesses, so call it “Heaven Gate.”

    CCCSD does not represent the citizens and it did not represent the citizens in picking the name. This group is pushing an idea without any study or consensus from the citizens.
    This group thinks that it is making a gumbo soup. They are proposing to just take a lot of neighborhoods and lump them together and call it a city.

    The citizens should say “No thanks.”

    The process of picking the name was not inclusive and not very democratic.
    The name does not represent the creativity, inspiration or productivity that the CCCSD claims it represents.

    Come on man, the name Greenhaven for a new city is not a good logo for any future sports teams or marketing name. If we are going to be the mecca of the South, then the name has to be on point.

    The name Greenhaven sounds like a church or rest home or funeral home. It sounds like a country town. It might have selected the name Green Acres, just like the TV show from the ’60s and early ’70s. There is a city called West Green, Ga.; Greenwood, S.C.; Greenwood, Miss.; and Greensboro, N.C.
    I do not want to live in either one of these cities.

    This was an opportunity for the organization to show and demonstrate some creativity and talent and leadership, and it failed.

    Call it City of Alexandria or something with history and strength.

    South DeKalb does not have the tax base and the industries to support a city.
    Our leaders should work on improving community police and bringing businesses into the community.

    I think the citizens of DeKalb would be better served if the CCCSD would file a court case against the county and the other cities in regards to the tax liabilities and pension obligations that are not being shared by all the property owners of the county.
    How can a new city such as the city of Dunwoody not be equally responsible for pension and bonds that were already obligated prior to their cityhood makes no sense.

    The effort lead by the CCCSD does not seem to be supported by the business community.
    I do not believe that the name Greenhaven will transform the community and provide sustainability and abundance. The name has no history and no link to a vision of the future.

    It seems to me that since the leadership of DeKalb county became African-American, some of the citizens in the county have sought to gain local autonomy. Much of the county had been structured the same way since 1822. After the DeKalb County citizens elected the first black CEO, Vernon Jones, many local communities have sought to become more local controlled by creating cities that would control more of its services from the county. This is a legacy of the changing demographics of DeKalb County and similar stories throughout the metro area region of Atlanta.

    A shotgun city. I would suggest that the state Legislature stop this cityhood movement in the county. The county needs leadership in this issue. The citizens should not remain silent on this issue. I would like to be overjoyed by this cityhood effort, but I cannot at this time and moment.

    Ed Williams lives in Decatur

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  2. The citizens should say “No thanks.”

    South DeKalb does not have the tax base and the industries to support a city.
    Concerned Citizens for Cityhood of South DeKalb does not represent the citizens and it did not represent the citizens in picking the name. This group is pushing an idea without any study or consensus from the citizens.
    This group thinks that it is making a gumbo soup. They are proposing to just take a lot of neighborhoods and lump them together and call it a city.
    Our leaders should work on improving community police, schools and bringing businesses into the community.
    I think the citizens of DeKalb would be better served if the CCCSD would file a court case against the county and the other cities in regards to the tax liabilities and pension obligations that are not being shared by all the property owners of the county.
    How can a new city such as the city of Dunwoody or Brookhaven not be equally responsible for pension and bonds that were already obligated prior to their cityhood make no sense.
    I do not believe that the name Greenhaven will transform the community and provide sustainability and abundance. The name has no history and no link to a vision of the future.
    It seems to me that since the leadership of DeKalb county became African-American, some of the citizens in the county have sought to gain local autonomy from the county. Much of the county had been structured the same way since 1822. After the DeKalb County citizens elected the first black CEO, many local communities have sought to become more local controlled by creating cities that would control more of its services from the county. The local control movement is a legacy of the changing demographics of DeKalb County and similar stories throughout the metro area region of Atlanta.
    It seems that shotgun cities are appearing all over the DeKalb County. Who will pay the county bills once all the local communities become cities? Will the county file bankruptcy and then north DeKalb merge with Milton. What is the master plan? I would suggest that the state Legislature stop this cityhood movement in the county. The county needs leadership on this issue. The citizens should not remain silent on this issue. The cityhood efforts I believe are a Trojan horse. There is a hidden agenda, and the citizens in the DeKalb, north and south will be grabbled up by the political realignment that is really going on. We need leadership from the state legislature. Where are the community organizations on this issue?

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  3. What are the options in south DeKalb. Create a city, maintain the status quo, or create multiple small cities. The new south DeKalb city as proposed by the Concerned Citizens for Cityhood in South DeKalb would be smaller in land size than the city of Atlanta, and would include approximately 300,000 residents. The city would be approximately 90% African American. It would be largest in DeKalb by far, and it would be the second largest city in the State of Georgia.



    I do believe that south DeKalb could exist as a city or cities. Population growth and urbanization of the south DeKalb has created the need for some changes. The annexation laws should be made more stricter, alternative forms of quasi-governmental communities should be considered, private residential associations communities and special districts could also be alternatives to cityhood.



    The CCCSD sales pitch for cityhood and main rational is economic development along with protecting assets. How is the CCCSD defining economic development, is it tax reduction? How will it achieve the economic development that it is portraying in their vision? The elephant in the room that some people want to ignore is that business investments tend not to be significant in areas that have a population of color over 65 percent. New municipalities can impact taxes, school districts, land-use, growth control, environmental regulations, elected representation and public utility services. New municipalities can lead to fragmentation and competition for financial resources between local governments. The need to slow down will allow the county to better plan for the possibilities of new cities and the implications to county tax base.



    The process of forming cities should require a petition before an organization or person can represent themselves as speaking for the community or in the name of the citizens. A person or organization should not be able to just initiate a process such as the CCCSD has done. This organization is acting or claiming to act on behalf of the citizens of south DeKalb. The organization was formed last June 2014 and we as citizens do not know who is behind the organization. Who is financially supports the CCCSD. By its very nature, the CCCSD is acting as a political organization as it is advocating the creation of a new government entity. As such all its records should be opened for review.

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  4. The largest city is DeKalb is Dunwoody and Brookhaven has 46,000 and 49,000 residents, Both Brookhaven and Dunwoody already had significant economic development in their communities prior to their becoming cities in their own right. The CCCSD wants the citizens of south DeKalb to believe that creating the city will create economic development, a cause and effect relationship. The reverse of what has happened in North DeKalb.



    There are a lot of unanswered questions that citizens in South DeKalb do not know about in terms of the form of government the new proposed city will have, or how the districts will be represented on the council. What kind of mayor or city manager will this new proposed city have, will the city council be strong. What kind ethnics review will be in the charter. This is important otherwise all we will be doing is moving the chairs around the room, and the same corruptions will occur in the city as has occurred in the county. In fact it might be worst.

    There should be a way for citizens in South DeKalb opt out of the new city if it does not want to be a part of the shot gun city.



    I have not seen where the community and the businesses have been included in the discussion and buy-in the concept of this mega city. We do not know if the neighborhood units or community leaders are in support of the cityhood concept, or rather they want to be in a smaller city, or want to remain as they are currently. I have yet to see one elected leader or prominent business leader, or any economic expert support the effort beyond the members of the CCCSD.



    Although the CCCSD has reportedly had over 146 meetings, the attendance at the CCCSD meetings have been small, and many of attendees have been the board members. I am certain less than 1 percent of the affected population even knows anything about the effort.



    One just has to look at the history of the economics in the black community in the city of Atlanta. Since 1974, the city of Atlanta has had black leadership in the Mayor and city council. Yes, the city grew as a whole, but there was no economic boom in areas where large numbers of Blacks lived. In the west end, summer hill, grant park, etc. Most neighborhoods south of M. L. King drive in Atlanta did not develop as did the northern part of the city of Atlanta. This is the same thing that has happened to DeKalb. In fact, this is one of the reasons that the south DeKalb population grew, as the Blacks in Atlanta wanted better than what was in Atlanta at the time. The crime and White flight, and then the Blacks follow. This is a cycle that occurs all over the country. This is nothing new, it is happening in DeKalb and all over the Metro area, it just being repackaged. The real issue is race relations and crime.

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  5. There are over 13 neighborhoods/communities in South DeKalb that are in unincorporated South DeKalb that would be affected by any city hood would be: Belvedere; Candler-Mcafee; Collinsville; East LakeTerrace; Ellenwood; Gresham Park; Panthersville; Pittsburg; Redan; Snapfinger; Soap Stone Ridge; South Decatur; and Turner Hill. This CCCSD thinks that it is making a gumbo soup. They are proposing to just take a lot of neighborhoods and lump them together and call it a city.



    There are approximately 200,000 of the 713,340 citizens, a third of the population of DeKalb county lives in incorporate city boundaries. The rest of the citizens reside in unincorporated parts of DeKalb. The current cities in DeKalb county: Decatur – founded in 1823 (approx. pop 20,086); Stone Mountain- founded in1822 (approx. pop 5976); Lithonia founded in 1946 (approx pop. 1983); Dunwoody – founded in 2008 (approx. pop 47224); Doraville founded in 1871 (approx. pop 10603); Chamblee – founded in 1908 (approx. pop 15948); Avondale Estates founded in1924 (approx. pop 2797); Clarkston founded in 1882 (approx. pop is 7791); Pine Lake founded in 1937 (approx. Pop 750); Brookhaven founded in 2012 (approx. pop 49000) and parts of Atlanta founded in 1865 10% in DeKalb (447,841)


    I have been searching all over the country for the evidence of the existence of such a city, with similar demographics and I cannot find it. We as residents are being held with a gun barrel pointed at our head, do it or else. We are being told that we will have to pay more taxes than the others in the county if we do not form a city. I say take the issue to court.


    I think the citizens of DeKalb would be better served if the CCCSD would file a court case against the county and the other cities in regards to the tax liabilities and pension obligations that are not being shared by all the property owners of the county. How can a new city such as the city of Dunwoody or Brookhaven not be equally responsible for pension and bonds that were already obligated prior to their cityhood make no sense.
    It would be equally appropriate if our political leaders in DeKalb ask the State Legislators to amend the annexations and consolidation laws to prohibit hostile takeovers, without the consent of the governed. Some states have laws that require the cities to make for the lose revenue of the county. This is what the CCCSD is alarmed about I think rightly so.



    It seems that shotgun cities are appearing all over the DeKalb County. Who will pay the county bills once all the local communities become cities? Will the county file bankruptcy and then north DeKalb merge with Milton. What is the master plan? I would suggest that the state Legislature stop this cityhood movement in the county. The county needs leadership on this issue. The citizens should not remain silent on this issue. The cityhood efforts I believe are a Trojan horse. There is a hidden agenda, and the citizens in the DeKalb, north and south will be grabbled up by the political realignment that is really going on. We need leadership from the state Legislature. Where are the community organizations on this issue?

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  6. The new south DeKalb city as proposed by the Concerned Citizens for Cityhood in South DeKalb would be smaller in land size than the city of Atlanta, and would include approximately 300,000 residents. The city would be approximately 90% African American. It would be largest in DeKalb by far, and it would be the second largest city in the State of Georgia. But this city, which would encompass most of unincorporated South DeKalb County, would be the second largest in Georgia with nearly 300,000 residents. The proposed map would include everything in DeKalb south of U.S. 78 up to I-285, excluding a proposed city of Stonecrest, and everything south of Memorial Drive on the other side of 285.

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  7. What are the options in south Fulton and south DeKalb? Create a city, create multiple small cities, or maintain the status quo. The annexation laws should be made stricter, alternative forms of quasi-governmental communities should be considered, private residential associations communities and special districts could also be alternatives to cityhood.

    Many of the supporters rational for cityhood in DeKalb and Fulton are economic development, avoiding higher taxes and protecting assets. The elephant in the room that some people want to ignore is that business investments historically have not to be significant in areas that have high minority populations. I have looked all over the country and I cannot find a city with similar demographics that would be a model for what the supporters are seeking in south Fulton or south DeKalb

    New municipalities can impact taxes, school districts, land-use, growth control, environmental regulations, elected representation and public utility services. New municipalities can lead to fragmentation and competition for financial resources between local governments, and the city of Atlanta, and the county governments.

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  8. Concerned Citizens Against Cityhood of South DeKalb

    Why does the Greenhaven skyline logo look like the New York skyline. The new city of South DeKalb want ever look like New York City. There are no skycrapers in South DeKalb. The logos for Dunwoody, Brookhaven and the other cities are more realistic.

    Concerned Citizens for Effective Government (DeKalb Georgia)
    Blog: ccegdekalb.blogspot.com

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  9. Some Reasons Why the Cityhood in south DeKalb want fly
    Concerned Citizens Against Cityhood of South DeKalb


    1. Business Closing (Stonecrest Mall in bankruptcy) (Theater closed in South DeKalb Mall)
    2. School closing and consolidation that took place in the last couple years in South DeKalb
    3. Home property values dropped in the since 2008
    4. Capital flight
    5. Crime
    6. Drugs
    7. Education outcomes several elemental school on the fail list in South DeKalb


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  10. It would be nice if we could work and play together at the county level. It seems that there are some factors at play. Socio economic, education, culture, values, and race issues at play. It is the elephant in the room, the story of America. I do not believe that all blacks want to be in the same city, nor do I believe all whites want to be in the same city. I do not believe that a city should only have rich people and other city have only poor people, I do not believe that some cities should only have educated people and other cities have not so educated people. DeKalb county is one of the most diverse counties in the nation. Yet it seems that we are rushing to create communities absent of diversity. I moved here in DeKalb because it was diverse and it was unincorporated.

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  11. Concerned Citizens Against Cityhood of South DeKalb
    Blog: ccegdekalb.blogspot.com

    We are still a county called DeKalb unless someone is talking about dissolving the County. What if every resident in DeKalb wanted to create their own city. The state of Georgia has a lot of counties for its size. Can a city create a city within a city? Will a community be able to remove itself from a city? Will communities have the choice to annex themselves to another city if they so choose.

    DeKalb was established from parts of Henry, Fayette and Gwinnett Counties.

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  12. It would be nice if we could work and play together at the county level. It seems that there are some factors at play. Socio economic, education, culture, values, and race issues at play. It is the elephant in the room, the story of America. I do not believe that all blacks want to be in the same city, nor do I believe all whites want to be in the same city. I do not believe that a city should only have rich people and other city have only poor people, I do not believe that some cities should only have educated people and other cities have not so educated people. DeKalb county is one of the most diverse counties in the nation. Yet it seems that we are rushing to create communities absent of diversity. I moved here in DeKalb because it was diverse and it was unincorporated.

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  13. I would like to understand how the process works and when do residents get to have input in rather they are included in the boundaries of a new city. Who participates in the vote, and can a certain neighborhood or communities opt out?

    I understand that the referendum occurs at the end of the process. Does anyone have any insight on the process related to opting end or out of any new proposed city boundaries?

    What I am asking about who and how does the communities and neighborhood get selected in the new city boundaries in the first place without residents input. The process seems very backwards.

    Brookhaven-On July 31, 2012, 55% of voters chose to incorporate the city of Brookhaven.

    Dunwoody-The referendum for cityhood, which took place on July 15, was approved by an overwhelming majority of voters.

    Sandy Springs-The referendum was held on June 21, 2005, and residents voted 94% to 6% in favor of incorporation.

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  14. Cityhood process As it was explained to me

    The cityhood process is initiated and controlled entirely by the Georgia Assembly. Once the bill for incorporation is approved, our office works with the Georgia Reapportionment office to carve out the voting area based on the legislation and calls and conducts an election at the appointed time. As set by Georgia law, only the voters in the proposed incorporated areas vote on the referendum and it is an all or nothing decision. We have absolutely no input as to what areas or citizens are included in the proposed municipality. My understanding is that any opting in or out must occur before the bill is approved by the Assembly so those desires must be made known to the bill’s authors and your representatives.

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  15. Hwang and Sampson, two researchers found that by the late 2000s, racial composition did in fact have a significant effect on a neighborhood's chance of improvement and ultimate gentrification. The neighborhoods that saw the most improvement met a minimum threshold proportion of white residents—about 35 percent—and a maximum threshold of black residents—about 40 percent.

    These researchers found that the difference in reinvestment levels between neighborhoods of 35 and 45 percent black residents was more than twice the gap in extent of gentrification between neighborhoods of 5 and 15 percent black residents.

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  16. There are border issues with the proposed city of Greenhaven and the City of Lithonia, Stonecrest, Stone Mountain, and Decatur. In addition, there are several serious tax issues that should be resolved with DeKalb County as it relates to all these new cities attempting to avoid their tax obligations. Passing these cityhood bills will create greater issues with DeKalb County pensions and bonds accounts. The tax and funding inequity will ultimately in up in court, particularly since many law makers appear to be ignoring their fiduciary responsibility with allowing the new cities to avoid the pension and bond payments to the county.

    The Carl Vinson Institute report was a feasibility study and it only evaluated the financial viability of the proposed new city. The report was based on minimum city services: Parks and recreation, zoning, and code enforcement. The report did not include and qualitative data or resident interviews. The study did not use similar city demographics to compare costs, and the report did not consider the impact of the new city impact on the DeKalb County as a government. The report does not validate the necessity or efficacy of forming a new city. The report did not consider the views of the residents of the affected area.

    The Communities and Neighborhoods did not have opportunities to opt in or out of any of the boundaries of the proposed cities. We are being told we only have the ability to say Yes or No at the end of process during the referendum. This does not make any sense. We should have some say so in the front end of the process, to rather communities are included in the new city boundaries. What if where you lived this was done to you? A group of people that have not been elected by anyone drafts up a city proposal, creates a boundary map, and creates a charter and then ask the state to sanction it. You would be outraged, like I am.

    Prosperity preaching is not what we need in DeKalb. Don’t Believe the Hype. The proposed new city of South DeKalb “Greenhaven” could look like East Saint Louis or Liberty city if the cityhood bill is passed. The Quality of life and small town values will be lost if the cityhood is promoted in DeKalb. City of East Saint Louis ranked the country’s 100 most dangerous cities

    DeKalb is a suburb of Atlanta. We live here in unincorporated DeKalb because we do not want to be in an urban center. There are disputes over which neighborhoods should be included in the boundaries with Decatur, Lithonia and Stonecrest and other communities. There should be a timeout in order to keep this frenzy from becoming a nightmare for everyone.

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  17. Do Not Believe the Hype!!! Unincorporated DeKalb is not paying more for Bonds and Pensions than others in DeKalb County. It is not true and the facts are being stretched to create fear. The proponents of cityhood are simply not explaining the differences in the services and how the pension is funded. Ask for specifics so that you can make an informed decision. Do the proponents have any evidence or record to show what they can do?

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6rHTsNOsLE_QzlmWUozbFdzUVU/view?usp=sharing

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  18. Crime Higher in South DeKalb than other Precincts.

    So why would the cityhood moments in South DeKalb not have a police force part of their cityhood department. It is expensive and the real reason for their cityhood movement is not public safety,

    http://www.crimemapping.com/map.aspx?aid=ade4bee3-a31a-472d-8033-fb882945ccb2

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  19. Some Counties with Multiple cities in Georgia / Counties with Unincorporated Areas

    Fulton County - 14 cities Alpharetta, Atlanta, Chattahoochee Hills, College Park, East Point, Fairburn, Hapeville, Johns Creek, Milton, Mountain Park, Palmetto, Roswell, Sandy Springs, Union City; Unincorporated areas Campbellton Hopewell Red Oak Sandtown Serenbe

    Gwinnett County - 14 cities Auburn, Berkeley Lake, Buford, Dacula, Duluth, Grayson, Lawrenceville, Lilburn, Loganville, Norcross, Peachtree Corners, Snellville, Sugar Hill, Suwanee; Braselton, Rest Haven; Unincorporated areas - Centerville, Five Forks, Mechanicsville; CDPs - Mountain Park

    DeKalb County - 10 cities (Atlanta), Avondale Estates, Brookhaven, Chamblee, Clarkston, Decatur, Doraville, Dunwoody, Lithonia, Pine Lake, Stone Mountain; Unincorporated areas - Atlanta Chinatown Embry Hills International Village Lenox Park Northlake Pittsburg Smoke Rise Snapfinger Vista Grove; CDPs - Belvedere Park Candler-McAfee Druid Hills Gresham Park North Decatur North Druid Hills Panthersville Redan Scottdale Tucker

    Cobb County - 6 cities Acworth, Austell, Kennesaw, Marietta, Powder Springs, Smyrna; Unincorporated areas - Chattahoochee Plantation, Clarkdale, Cumberland, East Cobb, Powers Park, Spring Hill; CDPs - Fair Oaks, Mableton, Vinings

    Clayton County - 7 cities College Park, Forest Park, Jonesboro, Lake City, Lovejoy, Morrow, Riverdale; Unincorporated areas - Mountain View Rex; CDPs -Bonanza Conley Irondale

    Cherokee County - 7 cities Ball Ground, Canton, Holly Springs, (Mountain Park), Nelson, Waleska, Woodstock; Unincorporated areas - Buffington, Free Home, Gold Ridge, Hickory Flat, Keithsburg, Macedonia, Oak Grove, Sixes, Sutallee, Towne Lake, Univeter

    Chatham County - 6 cities Bloomingdale, Garden City, Pooler, Port Wentworth, Savannah, Tybee Island;Thunderbolt, Vernonburg, Unincorporated areas -Pin Point Sandfly White Bluff; CDPs - Dutch Island, Georgetown, Henderson, Isle of Hope Montgomery, Skidaway Island, Talahi Island, Whitemarsh Island, Wilmington Island

    Henry County - 4 cities Hampton, Locust Grove, McDonough, Stockbridge; Unincorporated areas - Blacksville Flippen Kelleytown Ola; CDPs - Heron Bay

    Rockdale County - 1 city Conyers; Unincoporated areas - Lakeview Estates

    Douglas County - 3 cities - Douglasville, (Austell) (Villa Rica); Unincorporated areas - Beula,h Bill Arp, Chapel Hil,l Cracke,r Fairplay, Fouts Mill, Hannah, McWhorter, Midway, Phillips Mill, Tributary, White City, Winston; CDPs - Lithia Springs



    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_municipalities_in_Georgia_%28U.S._state%29

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  20. Does DeKalb County need more County commissioners and/or to redraw its commission districts?

    There are 16 state representatives, and 7 state senators in DeKalb. There are 7 DeKalb school board members 7 school board districts and 2 at large school board member were eliminated in Jan 2015

    DeKalb has 7 County Commissioners and a CEO who is elected county wide. There are Five districts and 2 Super (East and West divide) districts members of the commission.
    http://web.co.dekalb.ga.us/boc/boc.html
    http://web.co.dekalb.ga.us/voter/Maps/BOCMap.pdf

    In comparison Cobb has 5 commissioners 4 districts and 1 at large serves as the chair of the commission It has a county manager;
    http://cobbcounty.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=442&Itemid=698

    Clayton County has 5 commissioners, 4 districts and 1 at large full-time as the chair.
    http://www.claytoncountyga.gov/departments/board-of-commissioners/district-maps.aspx

    Gwinnett has 5 commissioners 4 districts and 1 at large full-time serves as the chair.
    https://www.gwinnettcounty.com/portal/gwinnett/Departments/BoardofCommissioners/DistrictMap

    Fulton county has 6 districts and 1 at large who serves as the chairpersons
    http://www.fultoncountyga.gov/commissioners

    The City of Atlanta has 15 council members. 12 districts and 3 at large members of the Atlanta city council. and a mayor elected citywide.
    http://www.atlantaga.gov/index.aspx?page=1027

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  21. What assets are the proponents of Cityhood in South DeKalb wanting to Protect? Send me some more business names to add to the list The store should have multiple locations to make the list

    Burger King
    McDonalds
    Chick Fil-A
    Churchs Chicken
    KFC
    Popeyes
    Dollar General
    Quick Trip (QT)
    Dunkin Donuts
    Walmart
    Family Dollar
    Chinese Restaurants
    BP
    Chevron
    Shell
    Texaco
    Pizza Hut
    Dominos Pizza
    Motel/Hotel 2
    Krispy Creme
    Waffle House
    Autozone
    O Reilly Auto
    Liquor R Us Ken and Chris
    Nails R Us
    Beauty Products and Weaves R Us

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  22. Get Rid of the Bums

    It is a shame that when there is a problem with local government we look to change the form of government instead of replacing the people in the position. This is usually an indication that the electorate is very unhappy when they want to abolish the form of government instead of getting rid of the King or King maker. There should be a provision in the county/city charter that allows the electorate to recall political office holders by the voters when they are not doing their jobs effectively or violating their oaths of office. This should apply to part-time and full-time political office holders. The electorate must make sure there are procedures in place to remove corrupt leaders and to address issues related to vacancies.

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  23. What major industries can you name that are located in South DeKalb or DeKalb? Here are some of the major industries

    Delta Air Lines* 27,344
    Emory University ** 22,242
    Wal-Mart 17,689
    BellSouth Corp. 15,800
    DeKalb County Schools* 12,968
    Publix Super Markets 10,650
    Wellstar Health System 10,112
    City Of Atlanta 8,657
    United States Postal Service 8,520
    IBM 7,500
    DeKalb County Government* 7,498
    Georgia Dapartment of Human Resources 7,425
    United Parcel Service 7,351
    Suntrust Banks 7,287
    Emory Healthcare* 6,690
    Cox Enterprises 6,177
    Waffle House 6,093
    Centers for Disease Control and Prevention* 6,002

    https://www.facebook.com/pages/DeKalb-Economic-Development-Industries/462241587259268?ref=hl

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  24. Do Not Believe the Hype!!! Unincorporated DeKalb is not paying more for Bonds and Pensions than others in the DeKalb County. It is not true and the facts are being stretched to create fear. The proponents of cityhood are simply not explaining the differences in the services and how the pension is funded.

    http://www.dekalbcountyga.gov/finance/fin_budget.html

    http://www.dekalbcountyga.gov/finance/FinancialReport.html

    The total millage rate of the cities in DeKalb are linked to the population size and services. The smaller cities have a higher city millage rate in general. Stone Mountain, Clarkston, and Lithonia are paying higher millage rates than unincorporated DeKalb. City of Decatur millage fluctuates but is similar to unincorporated, and the same with Dunwoody and Brookhaven fluctuating between 2 to 5 millage rate difference. Since 2010 to 2014 Unincorporated DeKalb millage rate changed from 40.09 to 45.29; Dunwoody went from 39.33 to 45.00; Decatur 43.84 to 43.18; Stone Mountain from 46.81 to 59.69; and Clarkston from 48.32 to 59.82 The differences in the unincorporated millage rate and the cities millage rates are with special services and police .

    DeKalb County Tax Millage Rate 2014
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6rHTsNOsLE_VDdsT3hwekdobWs/view?usp=sharing

    DeKalb County Tax Millage Rate 2013
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6rHTsNOsLE_enNOYk1NTTd1Sk0/view?usp=sharing

    DeKalb County Tax Millage Rate 2012
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6rHTsNOsLE_c3RVcXV3dmZOMFU/view?usp=sharing

    DeKalb County Tax Millage Rate 2011
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6rHTsNOsLE_QzlQT1g4ZnFWTm8/view?usp=sharing

    DeKalb County Tax Millage Rate 2010
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6rHTsNOsLE_c0k1VG5HdHctYms/view?usp=sharing

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  25. LaVista Hills 2015 CVI Study has been completed Download copy from here

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6rHTsNOsLE_bHdGYnk4VUdYZkU/view?usp=sharing


    Ed Williams. Chair
    Citizens Against Cityhood in DeKalb
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    ccegdekalb.blogspot.com
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  26. 5th District Commission Candidates will Square Off in Debate Forum
    May 28, 2015 from 7-9pm
    Lou Walker Senior Citizen Center
    2538 Panola Road
    Lithonia, Georgia 30058


    Ed Williams. Chair
    Citizens Against Cityhood in DeKalb
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  27. Anita Goklaney‎ DeKalb Strong

    Following is a very interesting post about the history of cityhood in the metro area in Next Door by Chris Huttman in Briarcliff Woods. I have obtained his permission to repost here.

    I want to shed a little light on the differences between Sandy Springs and Brookhaven/Lavista Hills and even Dunwoody to some degree. Back around 1950 the legislature granted unincorporated DeKalb some pretty significant "municipal" powers that other counties did not/do not have (this was to slow down/stop Atlanta annexation of DeKalb, which was appealing because the city could do things the county couldn't).

    DeKalb is essentially a giant city service-wise, and provided many things (notably a trash service that is the envy of the metro area) that other counties did not do. Fulton County on the other hand did not provide a good value proposition to places like Sandy Springs, and Fulton is essentially bisected by the city of Atlanta into North and South. Basically, there are a lot of governance issues unique to Fulton and Sandy Springs (with way more commercial tax base than Lavista Hills) makes a lot more sense there. (Yet still, only 36% of its budget actually goes to police/fire/emergency services).

    Sandy Springs leaders agitated loudly for a city for at least 30 years before it happened - essentially ever since it grew from being a tiny outpost on the edge of Atlanta to a full fledged suburb.

    Now compare that to Lavista Hills and Brookhaven. Our areas were happily part of unincorporated DeKalb for 50+ years - in fact the low taxes and efficiency of unincorporated DeKalb which provided city services at giant scale were primary selling points of the area, and only in the last ten years or so have political concerns at the county level led *some* to call for new cities. But unlike Sandy Springs (and Dunwoody more falls into this category) which passed nearly unanimously, Brookhaven (and Lavista Hills) are much more political, and that is how they should be viewed.

    In fact, most of what is now Brookhaven was previously incorporated as the city of North Atlanta until in 1965 residents voted to disincorporate! So, at the same time as Sandy Springs residents were beginning to loudly plead for their own city to divorce themselves from Fulton County, Brookhaven residents actually canceled their own city to turn over their services to the county, presumably because they realized DeKalb's scale would lead to more/better services at lower cost, as opposed to the current en vogue thinking that somehow a new smaller layer of government will lead to the same.

    Basically, DeKalb County is chartered to be a functioning form of government in a way that Fulton was not for Sandy Springs. But DeKalb does have issues. The question for me is do we abandon DeKalb and create a new layer on top of it just to do what it is already capable of doing but at greater expense or do we try to fix the problems at the county level. Personally, I'd rather try to fix the problems then create a new layer of government that will be in my opinion an HOA on steroids (and I mean that with all the positive and many negative aspects that are affixed to HOAs). Reasonable people can and will disagree with me on the way forward. But I hope that adds some context to why cityhood may not always be the answer even though it has done well in some other places.

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  28. DeKalb District 5 DeKalb Commissioner Seat Debate Forum Dates. I wonder what the candidates positions are on cityhood in DeKalb.

    March 26, 2015, 6:30pm Stonecrest Library, hosted by Restore DeKalb

    March 28, 7 to 9pm Lout Walker Senior Center, hosted by Delta Sigma Theta-Decatur, Lithonia Stone Mountain Chapter

    June 2, 6pm, Stonecrest Library, Hosted by the Greater Lithonia Chamber of Commerce

    June 9, 7pm Stonecrest Library, hosted by the National Coalition of 100 Black Women, Stone Mountain Lithonia Chapter

    June 10, 8:30am, Fairfield Inn and Suites Hotel-Stonecrest, hosted by the Stonecrest Business Alliance

    Only District 5 residents will participate in the special election. Early voting (in person) will begin Tuesday, May 26, and continue weekdays through Friday, June 12, 8:30am to 4pm, at the DeKalb County Voter Registration & Election Office, 4380 Memorial Drive, Decatur. There will be no weekend voting or satellite locations.

    For more information, call 404 298-4020
    http://www.oncommongroundnews.com/…/526-hotly-contested-dis…
    http://dekalbvotes.com

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  29. Lithonia considers annexation plans to annex Stonecrest Mall see Champion Free Press page 14A and also check Litnonia's City website under What's Happening tab see links below

    https://www.scribd.com/doc/267024247/FreePress-5-29-15
    http://cityoflithoniaga.org/

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  30. I attended the second of the scheduled forums for 5th district DeKalb commission candidates held in South DeKalb at the Lou Walker Senior Center moderated by Bill Crane tonite. It was a full house. The forum was sponsored by Delta Sigma Theta and Alpha Kappa Alpha Sororities, East Metro Orchids and DeKalb National Council of Negro Women. All 10 candidates were present. Here are my notes as best as I could recall some of the comments made by the candidates.

    Congressman Hank Johnson attended the forum, and several of the DeKalb State legislators Pam Stephenson, Rahn Mayo, Ronald Ramsey, Dee Dawkins Haigler. Also commissioner Stan Watson of District 7 made an appearance. .along with DeKalb NACCP John Evans, There may have been others that I missed

    Gregory Adams again strongly stated his opposition to the cityhood efforts in DeKalb and said it is the most important issue for DeKalb that needs to be addressed.. Edmondson, and Codi also openly stated that they are against the cityhood in DeKalb Adams, Mangham, Johnson and Codi each indicated that for any new cities the entire county should have the chance to vote on any new cities being created in DeKalb and issues of annexation moving forward.

    Hank Johnson wife is one of the commission candidates.

    Green and Rice are in support of cityhood. However, is opposed to Atlanta annexation of Druid Hills. Codi opposed annexation of Druid Hills by Atlanta, Over my dead body Codi stated. I will fight against it.

    Turner supports lawsuit as an opposition to stop the annexation. This annexation would shift the money outside of DeKalb county..

    Irons indicated that unity was the greatest issue for DeKalb. Mangham indicated that leadership was the greatest issue to be addressed as commissioner. She said we should take stock in what we have and provide solutions for our constituents. Rice indicated that ethics, Integrity and economic development were the greatest issues to be addressed. Saunders indicated that quality of life was the greatest issue to be addressed. Turner indicated that education was the greatest issue that DeKalb faced.

    Irons indicated that the whole county should have a say in the transfer of county assets to new cities.

    Green indicated that more after school programs, recreation center and extended libraries hours are need to give our youth places and things to do, Need more staff and longer hours for county facilities to accommodate the needs of the youth in our communities. She suggested that this would likely help reduce crime in our communities

    Mangham mentioned that 50% of DeKalb county employees do live in DeKalb County. She suggested that some incentives might be appropriate to encourage employees to move or live inside DeKalb.

    http://crossroadsnews.com/news/2015/may/22/district-5-race-lures-10-candidates-june-16-specia/

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  31. Kathryn Rice back tracks on her statement that South DeKalb will be left paying pension. First they said there was a law that permitted the new cities to avoid from paying or sharing in the cost of DeKalb pension plan; almost everyone was saying it, even the lawmakers and commissioners.

    Now Kathryrn Rice and her group admits there is no law. They now use the words fair and burden of the pension costs, a play on words. The group Concerned Citizens for Cityhood in South DeKalb repeated so many times that South DeKalb would be the only area paying the pension that everyone believes what they were saying is true. The factoid meter indicates that this is not true, and that the statement is a stretch of the facts. It is being used as a fear or scare tactic to get residents to support cityhood. According to the county finance department, the new cities are contributing to the county pension plan. The only portion that new cities may not be equally contributing to are police and designated services if a new city is providing their own services.

    http://crossroadsnews.com/news/2015/jan/30/south-dekalb-city-be-called-greenhaven/

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  32. Repeat it enough times they will believe it and then it will become fact. Even the DeKalb 5th district commission candidates are repeating the facts incorrectly.

    Kathryn Rice back tracks on her statement that South DeKalb will be left paying pension. First Kathryn and her group said there was a law that permitted the new cities to avoid paying or sharing in the cost of DeKalb pension plan; almost everyone was repeating it, even State lawmakers and commissioners.

    Now Kathryn Rice and her group admits there is no law. They now use the words "fair", "shoulder" and "burden" of the pension costs, a play on words. The group Concerned Citizens for Cityhood in South DeKalb has repeated so many times that "South DeKalb would be the only area paying the pension" that everyone believes what they have been saying is true. The factoid meter indicates that this is not true, and that the statement is a stretch of the facts. It is being used as a fear or scare tactic to get residents to support cityhood. Rice continues to say if the city of South DeKalb is created that it is her position that the city should make pension payments. It seems that there is some double talk going on.

    According to the county budget department, the new cities are contributing to the county pension plan, though not to the same extent as if they had not become a city. The typical portion that new cities may not be equally contributing to are police and designated services if new cities are providing their own services in those areas. All the other county funds contribute to the pension.


    Articles that cited pension statements made by CCCSD and/or Kathryn Rice

    http://crossroadsnews.com/news/2015/jan/30/south-dekalb-city-be-called-greenhaven/

    http://crossroadsnews.com/news/2015/apr/10/no-referendum-year-new-cities-south-dekalb/

    http://www.decaturish.com/2015/01/greenhaven-city-proposal-gets-sponsor/

    http://thechampionnewspaper.com/news/local/proposed-south-dekalb-city-named-greenhaven/

    http://thechampionnewspaper.com/news/local/proponents-promote-large-south-dekalb-city/

    http://oncommongroundnews.com/local-news/health/itemlist/date/2015/4.html

    http://issuu.com/ocgnews/docs/ocg03_07_15_b887e2009bde35

    http://m.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/group-pushes-new-city-south-dekalb-county/nkLx2/

    http://www.decaturish.com/2014/11/plans-south-dekalb-city-taking-shape/



    Ed Williams. Chair
    Citizens Against Cityhood in DeKalb
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  33. Most residents in Gwinnett, Cobb, DeKalb, Clayton, Henry, Rockdale, and Douglas County live in unincorporated areas. Although Gwinnett has the most cities, 16. 75% of its land and the residents in live in unincorporated Gwinnett Fulton County the largest in population is the only county in Georgia where more of its citizens live in cities than unincorporated areas.


    The feasibility studies for Stonecrest and Greenhaven were completed Feb 2015 approximately one year ago. Now the proponents are demanding that they be put on the ballot. Well, not so fast. The feasibility studies were done on only 3 services: Parks and Recreation, Code Enforcement, and Zoning. If these proposed cities had included all the other services that most cities provide these cities would not have passed feasibility.

    The budget numbers do not add up and we do not know what the impact of these proposed cities will have on DeKalb County's budget. Both Stonecrest and Greenhaven feasibility studies only considered 3 services, however these cities would be responsible for Road and maintenance, Police, Fire, Solid Waste management, Water Supply and distribution, Waste-Water Treatment, Storm-Water collection and disposal, Electric or Gas utility service. None of these additional services are in their feasibility studies.

    Sandy Springs, Dunwoody and Brookhaven feasibility studies were analyzed as full service cities, unlike Stonecrest and Greenhaven which were only analyzed with 3 services: Parks and Recreation, Code Enforcement, and Zoning. The residents of South DeKalb deserve to know the real facts before referendums are decided, The Stonecrest and Greenhaven CVI feasibility studies were done as city lite, not full service cities that is the only reason they passed.

    Self-determination applies both ways for cityhood and against cityhood. A lot of residents believe that their rights will be violated because they are being forced into a city boundary against their wishes. They are being told that their fate should be up to a referendum vote of the majority. This process as it is would allow a certain region of South DeKalb to dictate the fate of the whole region. In this Country the rights of the minority is suppose to be protected, and the principle of one man, one vote applies to property rights and representation. The people who live in unincorporated DeKalb bought their houses knowing that they were not in a city, and many want to stay that way. This is why I think a random sample petition of residents in the cityhood process would help determine rather the areas in the South DeKalb region want to be included in the boundary.

    The right to create a city is not a right that is guaranteed under either the State of Georgia or Federal Constitution. The State has the right to set requirements for its corporations. The State can change the requirements by law when it wants. A city is a corporation. No one is taking away the right to vote. Why does the State require a petition of 60% or 100% method for annexation and yet have no requirements for who is included in the cityhood boundaries creation?

    Cityhood does not mean Economic Development or Growth, if so all the cities close to the Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International airport would be booming. Say No to more government and corruption.




    Ed Williams. Chair
    Concerned Citizens For Effective Government
    Citizens Against Cityhood in DeKalb
    facebook.com/ccegdekalb
    ccegdekalb.blogspot.com
    email: truthcrushtheearth@gmail.com

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  34. The mission of the organization is to advocate for effective government and to provide information about cityhood and annexation to DeKalb County residents. Citizens Against Cityhood supports a moratorium on any new city formations. We believe that the residents of DeKalb deserve a more deliberate process; and that the state legislature needs to make changes to the cityhood and annexation process.

    1. We should have some say so at the front end of the process as to whether communities are included in the new city boundaries.
    2. It would be equally appropriate for our state legislators to amend the annexations and consolidation laws to prohibit hostile takeovers without the consent of the governed.
    3. Some states have laws that require the cities to make up for the lost revenues of the county
    4. Alternatives have not been presented to residents in the affected area. For example, smaller cities, opting out of the city, change the annexation laws, court action. Alternative forms of quasi-cities should be considered, private residential associations or communities and special districts could also be alternatives to cityhood.

    More time should be given to residents to become informed in terms of the impact cityhood would have on their communities and DeKalb County. We do not believe that new cities should be created for the purpose of avoiding prior pension and bond obligations. We strongly believe that taxes should be equitably applied to all residents in both incorporated and unincorporated DeKalb. We do not believe that a city will create jobs, that is the mission of the chamber of commerce, and private citizens. We do not want to trade our suburban communities for an urban jungle; We do not want more crime, corruption, and government. We want better leadership and collaboration all over North, Central and South DeKalb.

    South DeKalb could look like Clayton County, Miami Gardens, Tuskegee, Alabama, East Saint Louis, Liberty City, Gary Indiana, Detroit, Washington, DC, or Ferguson, Missouri if the cityhood bill is passed by the state assembly and the referendum is passed by the voters. Ask the proponents of cityhood which city they plan to use as a model for South DeKalb or Stonecrest. I do not mean what the feasibility study used. I mean which city do they believe South DeKalb will look like in the future with similar demographics and population. South DeKalb (Greenhaven) uses the New York City skyline in their logo. Would you put your trust in someone that does not have a plan and a model of what they are proposing?????


    Ed Williams. Chair
    Concerned Citizens For Effective Government
    Citizens Against Cityhood in DeKalb
    facebook.com/ccegdekalb
    ccegdekalb.blogspot.com
    email: truthcrushtheearth@gmail.com

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  35. What cityhood will likely bring is more government with rules and regulations, more jails and courts, more crime, more corruption, more traffic tickets, more code enforcement, less businesses, and bad customer service.

    Ask the proponents of cityhood to try their economic development experiment somewhere else like Lithonia, South DeKalb Mall or West End. Macon, Miami Gardens, FL. or Tuskegee, Alabama before trying it on us. We want to see the evidence not just plans.

    There are no Counties in Georgia that are completely covered with cities. The closest to being that way is Fulton County which has 14 cities, and the land area is 75% covered. The next county is Gwinnett County which has 16 cities. DeKalb County has 11 cities, which includes some of Atlanta. The state legislature has not considered what it would mean to the taxpayers if DeKalb County became completely covered with cities. The feasibility reports that are conducted do not consider that impact of cities on DeKalb County or other cities.

    The proponents of the City of Greenhaven (South DeKalb) model their NPU (Neighborhood Planning Units) after Atlanta. After 40 years of high crime, bad schools, and no development in south and west sides of Atlanta, The proponents of Cityhood in South DeKalb want to model the same failure that was used in Atlanta. Say No Thanks.

    We are concerned as you are about the direction and leadership in DeKalb County. We want some of the same things you want, however we do not want to make our situation worse than it is now. The proponents of the cityhood movement do not have any track record, and nothing to show in regards to an example of what they are talking about. Ask the proponents of cityhood to clean up their own neighborhoods in terms of the types of businesses, bad schools, beautification, traffic and crime and then and only then should we believe anything they are trying to sell us.




    Ed Williams. Chair
    Concerned Citizens For Effective Government
    Citizens Against Cityhood in DeKalb
    facebook.com/ccegdekalb
    ccegdekalb.blogspot.com
    email: truthcrushtheearth@gmail.com

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  36. The real reason why cityhood bills were introduced in DeKalb was so that new school districts could be created. The new school district bill HR4 sponsored by Rep Tom Taylor this year is sitting on the table waiting on an opportunity to be passed. This will hurt DeKalb School’s budget and have a very negative impact on South DeKalb more than anything else on the horizon. In North DeKalb, there are a couple of movements to create state charter schools in an effort to avoid the need to create a separate school district and get around the Ga constitution restrictions. These cityhood and separation movements go at the heart of Brown vs. Board of education US Supreme Court case, separate but equal case, and many of the civil rights advancement made during the sixties in terms of public accommodations and where people can afford to live.

    Take a look at the Southside of the City of Atlanta, and drive down Campbellton Road in SW Atlanta, and you will see what a city will do for you and your community. The proponents of Cityhood in South DeKalb say that they modeled their city charter community involvement after Atlanta’s neighborhood planning units. Well, those neighborhood planning units did not seem to help the residents and communities in many of the communities in Atlanta. Why then did many of the communities in Atlanta experience crime, blight, and lack of businesses, low home values and bad schools. The proponents of cityhood want to use our tax money to create projects and jobs for their friends.

    Do Not Believe the Hype!!! Unincorporated DeKalb is not paying more for Bonds and Pensions than others in DeKalb County. It is not true and the facts are being stretched to create fear. The proponents of cityhood are simply not explaining the differences in the services and how the pension is funded.

    It is believed by some legal professionals that the proposed new city charters are unconstitutional and this may require new cities to provide more than 3 services, which means that property taxes will increase in the future to meet the needs of the city. The proposed new city charter will not be limited to only providing 3 services as the city charters are being portrayed, code enforcement, parks and recreation, and zoning; and these new cities will not require a referendum to add additional services based on the GA constitutional. You are being tricked into passing the referendum and you will be surprised afterwards about the real deal. If you do not believe it read Article 9 of the Georgia Constitution which spells out all the powers of counties and municipalities. In addition, House Bill (HB477) was passed this year would require cities to maintain roads and etc.

    According to the county budget department, the new cities are contributing to the county pension plan, though not to the same extent as if they had not become a city. The typical portion that new cities may not be equally contributing to are police and designated services if new cities are providing their own services in those areas. All the other county funds contribute to the pension.



    Ed Williams. Chair
    Concerned Citizens For Effective Government
    Citizens Against Cityhood in DeKalb
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    ccegdekalb.blogspot.com
    email: truthcrushtheearth@gmail.com

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  37. The HOST property tax exemption, which rides on top of your Homestead, vanishes in a new city, as the HOST is covered by a penny of sales tax collected by DeKalb. This will result in an automatic property tax increase, averaging 15-30 percent when you leave unincorporated DeKalb. Ask homeowners in Brookhaven and Dunwoody.

    The combined revenue hits of Brookhaven, Dunwoody, If Tucker and possibly LaVista Hills, followed by possibly Stonecrest or South DeKalb become cities it will begin to make it financially unfeasible to support/fund countywide police and fire. Granted there are now service gaps and domestic dispute calls flood and back up 911 response times, but imagine us getting back to a patch work of 11-14 P.D.s, and only the Sheriff's office having county-wide jurisdiction. We are heading that way.

    New York State has more than 4,000 local governments, cities, townships, villages, local boards of education, counties, etc... New Jersey is similar. Those are two of the highest taxing states in country. Only California and Taxachusetts come close.

    We have to focus on demanding what we are already paying for and quit viewing local government as a patronage and jobs program, local government should be about services for the taxpayers and citizens of that community...not employing everyone's niece, nephew, uncle or cousin.

    DeKalb County has a population of 730,000 residents. As an alternative, DeKalb could consider adding more commissioners to represent the growth in DeKalb population and to provide more representation and local attention. Currently there are 5 commissioner districts and two at large commissioners. The growth and diversity of the population is one reason that more commissioners are needed to provide greater representation. The city of Atlanta which has a population 450,000, and it has 12 council districts, council president and 3 at large council seats.

    It is a shame that when there is a problem with local government we look to change the form of government instead of replacing the person(s) in the position. This is usually an indication that the electorate is very unhappy when they want to abolish the form of government instead of getting rid of the Bum. It is easier to create a city than to remove a corrupt elected official from office.

    Self-determination is the right of all mankind and so is the right to vote, however not at the expense of someone else. Who will pay for all these governments? We currently have a federal government, a state government, a county government and most have a homeowners association. Now we are being told we need a city? Why? What happened to freedom? Residents should know all the facts and the truth before a referendum is placed on the ballot. The residents should know who the real winners and losers will be if DeKalb is allowed to fracture into separate parts. Who will really benefit?

    Succession and appointments should be outlined and specified in the organization charter and it should be for a brief period of time. The real question does the right of one individual to hold office out weigh the right of citizens to choose who represents them.

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  38. he facts about DeKalb, only 25% of the residents currently live in incorporated municipalities, the other 80% live in unincorporated parts of DeKalb. "Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly." M.L. King:

    The proponents of cityhood want to use our tax money and bond funding to create projects and jobs. They will do this with 30 year bonds which will be tied to property taxes for years to come. All while a few people will become rich and the majority of us will be stuck with the bills. The question we are facing is should the government allocate private funds (property taxes) or should private entities allocate capital for public or private investment?

    \What services should government provide or privatize? Will the cost and efficiency be better as a city or County if we look at economy to size factors? We are all in this together. Doing the right thing and we are our brothers keeper.

    Stopping Shot Gun Cities
    https://drive.google.com/…/0B6rHTsNOsLE_dlVpVHdSQ1VHUlk/view

    Facts about Cityhood and Stop Cityhood
    https://drive.google.com/…/0B6rHTsNOsLE_OENlWWhiTUI5clU/view

    Future of South DeKalb and Black Belt Economics
    https://drive.google.com/…/0B6rHTsNOsLE_YnFPeG1QTXVLS3c/view

    Sixteen Reasons to Say No Thanks to Cityhood
    https://drive.google.com/…/0B6rHTsNOsLE_RHM4MlNmNFdvMnM/view
    http://crossroadsnews.com/…/no-referendum-year-new-cities-…/

    Proponents Large South DeKalb City
    http://www.scribd.com/doc/244264268/FreePress-10-24-14

    Proposed South DeKalb city named Greenhaven 14A
    http://www.scribd.com/doc/254924089/FreePress-2-5-15

    “I do not want to trade our suburban communities for an urban jungle, and I do not want more crime, corruption and government. I want better leadership and collaboration all over DeKalb – north, central and south” – Ed Williams



    Recommended Changes to the Charter and Cityhood Process
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6rHTsNOsLE_bG5TLW8xT21rX2s/view?usp=sharing

    Contacts and Legislators Email Addresses
    https://www.facebook.com/notes/citizens-against-cityhood-in-dekalb/contacts-and-legislators-email-addresses/1652932751630642

    Proposed City Maps
    https://www.facebook.com/notes/citizens-against-cityhood-in-dekalb/proposed-new-cities-maps-in-dekalb/1661940740729843

    Senate Study Community Report on Incorporation, Annexation and De-annexation
    http://www.senate.ga.gov/sro/Documents/StudyCommRpts/2015AnnexationStudyCommitteeFINAL.pdf

    House Study Community Report on Incorporation, annexation and De-annexation
    http://www.house.ga.gov/Documents/CommitteeDocuments/2015/Annex_Deannex_Incorp_FINAL_REPORT.pdf

    City Charters, Feasibility Studies and Other Related Documents
    https://www.facebook.com/notes/citizens-against-cityhood-in-dekalb/city-charters-and-other-documents/1656116507978933

    Upcoming Meetings
    https://www.facebook.com/notes/citizens-against-cityhood-in-dekalb/upcoming-meetings/1652934601630457

    Pension Documents and Facts
    https://www.facebook.com/notes/citizens-against-cityhood-in-dekalb/dekalb-pension-documents-and-facts/1661402064117044

    Documents to Pass Out and Circulate to Residents
    https://www.facebook.com/notes/citizens-against-cityhood-in-dekalb/documents-to-pass-out-and-circulate-in-your-community/1660451397545444

    Mission Statement
    https://www.facebook.com/notes/citizens-against-cityhood-in-dekalb/mission-statement/1652933571630560

    Questions to Ask Supporters of Cityhood
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6rHTsNOsLE_Z1gxVDNkVVNvR1k/view?usp=sharing

    DeKalb County Economic Plan 2020
    http://dekalbcounty2020.com/


    Ed Williams. Chair
    Concerned Citizens For Effective Government
    Citizens Against Cityhood in DeKalb
    facebook.com/ccegdekalb
    ccegdekalb.blogspot.com
    email: truthcrushtheearth@gmail.com

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  39. Read the Stonecrest and South Fulton Feasibility reports and you will see that the cities that were used to make their analyses have different demographics, economic and business profiles.

    In the Stonecrest feasibility study to determine the likely operational expenses associated with providing parks, planning and zoning, code enforcement, basic administrative costs, as well as capital costs associated with those services and administration, we primarily looked at two comparison governments in the metropolitan Atlanta area, Peachtree Corners and Smyrna, but also utilized data from other metro Atlanta area cities. Peachtree Corners and Smyrna were selected at the outset of the study because they are similar in size to the study area and are located in metropolitan Atlanta. Peachtree Corners provides a limited range of municipal services, namely planning and zoning, code enforcement, and road construction and maintenance, thus making it a logical choice for comparison. The fiscal years of 2012 and 2013 were used from Smyrna to estimate costs while fiscal year 2014 was used from Peachtree Corners because they constituted the best available data during the time the study was conducted. Peachtree Corners contracts out much of its services while Smyrna provides municipal services through its own directly employed city staff. For each city that was used to establish cost estimates, CVIOG faculty examined its financial documents and conducted interviews with city staff to inquire as to the proper allocation of certain costs and to clarify figures and line items reported in their financial documents. The population of the proposed city of Stoncrest would be 95% African American.

    Ed Williams. Chair
    Concerned Citizens For Effective Government
    Citizens Against Cityhood in DeKalb
    facebook.com/ccegdekalb
    ccegdekalb.blogspot.com
    email: truthcrushtheearth@gmail.com
    South DeKalb Stonecrest Georgia Greenhaven Cityhood Fulton South Fulton Annexation

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  40. The proposed city of Stonecrest would be one of the largest cities in DeKalb County with a population of 50,000 residents and the largest city in terms of land area 29.6 square miles. In order for it to be feasible the land size and the number of people had to be large to make it feasible. The proposed city charter for Stonecrest only has three services in it. Parks and Recreation, Zoning, and Code Enforcement. If Stonecrest was a full service city like Dunwoody and Brookhaven it would not have passed it’s feasibility test.

    The CVI feasibility studty used Peachtree Corners, Brookhaven, and Dunwoody for Greenhaven estimates. The CVI feasibility used Peachtree Corners and Smyrna for the proposed city of Stonecrest but also utilized data from other metro Atlanta area cities. The proposed city of South Fulton the feasibility analysis included all cites in Fulton County with a population of 10,000 or greater as determined by the 2010 Census. The cities with populations are: Alpharetta, 57,551; East Point, 33,712; Fairburn, 12,950; Johns Creek 76,728; Milton, 32,661; and Union City, 19,456. We do not include College Park with a population of 13,942 for several reasons. And also do not include Atlanta; with a population of 420,003 it is just much bigger than all other cities.
    Did you know that in the Stonecrest charter the number of successive terms an individual may hold a position as mayor or as a council member shall be unlimited.

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6rHTsNOsLE_MVAtc0VsQUg1RFE/view?usp=sharing

    Ed Williams. Ed.D. Chair
    Concerned Citizens For Effective Government
    Citizens Against Cityhood in DeKalb
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    ccegdekalb.blogspot.com
    (678) 304-7736
    email: truthcrushtheearth@gmail.com
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